2008
February
11
by Tyler
My friend Ric and I have spent some time talking about politics and religion lately. Mostly about how our theology should and does effect our view of politics. Ric and I went to high school together. Since then he has graduated from Seattle Pacific, works as a youth pastor in New Hampshire, and is starting at North Park Seminary. He is a supporter of Obama and I asked him about Obama’s stance on abortion. Obama is a hardlined pro choice guy. Planned Parenthood has given him a 100% approval rating. This for me was a big disconnect between the Bible giving life the highest value. So I asked him how he was able to reconcile this. Make sure you head over to Ric’s blog. He is a new blogger and a great one at that.
*Disclaimer- I am more than happy to have someone from “the other side” of this issue to have something posted. Email me something on this or other topics. I know this is a controversial topic, and will probably offend some people. My reasoning for posting something like this is to bring to light political issues that are rarely talked about openly. Christians vote for pro choice candidates every election and it is important to hear some arguments for how they come to this conclusion. For most conservatives, this is the biggest issue. Please keep your comments uplifting to the topic.
“This issue of abortion is really difficult for me to deal with. In nearly all cases, I feel like abortion is totally not in line with the convictions of my faith. However, I’m voting for a candidate who is Pro Choice. It might be a total contradiction, regardless, this is how I get around it:
1. Abortion seems to be an issue of polarization that the Religious Right has used in order to create an “us–them” mentality that makes Christian voters feel like if they must vote for the Pro Life candidate or they will be associated with the godless, deprave Democrat party. In other words, abortion has been more about demonizing certain people for the sake of creating votes for Conservatives/Republicans than it has been about exercising Christian values.
2. Abortion is a big issue, but I see it as a big issue among other, just as significant big issues. The war in Iraq, foreign diplomacy and the environment are all other big issues in my mind. I like what Obama is saying about these issues more than what the Republicans are saying. I guess I can’t allow one issue to out weigh all the other important issues just because of the fear that I won’t be voting for God’s party.
3. There are many attempts to “fight” against abortion outside the “national political arena”. There are a lot of private and church-based organizations that are offering alternatives to abortion for woman that seems to be pretty effective. I think it’s false to assume that the only thing we can do is to vote into office a Republican candidate. For example, I know about a church in Washington that has a great adoption agency. On the other hand, an issue like foreign diplomacy is something that we have less control in the “private sector” and needs to be addressed primarily by our federal government. And since there doesn’t seem to be much that I can do outside of the political realm I need to vote into position the candidate that can effect some change in this area.”

Ric… I really want to respond to this, but I don’t have time at the moment. Hope things are going well for you and maybe I’ll shoot you an email with some of my thoughts soon.
Ric, thanks for your thoughts. And thanks too to Tyler for posting this and turning me on to your blog.
My own thinking is that abortion has more to do with personal choice and issues around poverty/economics than anything else. The only things I have as a way to back that up is “anecdotal” evidence rather than personal experience.
As for the personal beliefs of individual presidential candidates on this issue, one has only to look at recent history. I know of more than one person who ardently supported GW Bush, mainly b/c for them, if he were President, Roe v. Wade would be overturned and abortion would be outlawed. With less than one year left of his presidency and up until last year, a Congress that was controlled by the Republican party, not much has changed except for the appt. of judges who may or may not make decisions in that direction. (and who for the most part are apptd. rather than elected) Rates of abortion have declined slightly but they did during the previous admin. as well despite a polar opposite position on the issue at the admin. level. So supporting or not supporting a candidate based on this one issue alone, while your right, may not end up making much difference in the long run.
It is also bothersome to have people vilify Planned Parenthood always on this issue alone. Stop to consider how many abortions might have been prevented simply b/c PP provided birth control that prevented an unwanted pregnancy in the first place…… just saying….
Debbie Stewart
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My only concern with your comment Debbie is downplaying the role of the President of appointing justices. It is his (or her) power alone to do this. Obviously this has be approved by other powers but RoevWade will come back at some point and it will be the Supreme Court alone that has power to overturn, which is the result of past Presidents that can do this. I agree with everything else you have said basically, but the role of a President appointing someone pro life or choice is a key thing.
I didn’t mean to “downplay” the role of judges but whether they sit on the Supreme Court or some other court, judges are to decide cases on the rule of law, not on their own personal opinions/agendas. It doesn’t discount their opinions/agendas and that’s why people get so “up in arms” about certain appointments. But historically, there have been more than a few instances where how a case was decided actually went against the judges own personal positions. Having served on a jury many years ago, I faced this myself. As the case was presented (and it was a murder case) it became clear that there was “reasonable doubt”. No matter how I felt about murder personally, I had to in fact put that aside and cast my vote on the jury based on the rule of law, not on my own personal feelings. It is no different (or it shouldn’t be) for judges. So appointing pro life or pro choice judges may or may not make a difference. Now there are some who argue that Roe v. Wade is “bad law” but it is a law that has stood now for nearly a generation. It well may be overturned one day but since federal judgeships are lifetime appointments, it may not happen for many years. stay tuned.
Debbie
BTW, I really appreciate the “thoughtful discussion” here. Thanks for hosting this….