Comments on: Disclaimer http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/ Theology, Church ministry, Seminary, Worship // Proving that even bad writers get readers. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:09:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: brent(inWorship) http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1620 brent(inWorship) Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:00:10 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1620 Ash, <blockquote>"it is a sad circumstance that some church leaders cannot handle people around them disagreeing w/ their philosophy."</blockquote> Ya, this is big for me. It can be a control/power thing. as a leader in a church, I have no right to it except to be faithful to lead. God has the only rights to it. Good thoughts Ash. Ash,

“it is a sad circumstance that some church leaders cannot handle people around them disagreeing w/ their philosophy.”

Ya, this is big for me. It can be a control/power thing. as a leader in a church, I have no right to it except to be faithful to lead. God has the only rights to it. Good thoughts Ash.

]]> By: ash http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1619 ash Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:53:11 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1619 brent- yes, it is unfortunate that churches, in general, have mandated a school of thought/theology and their members or staff is expected to follow that. christ is truth. but there are so many ideas around him that seem grey and as christians we have to wrestle with those things. it is a sad circumstance that some church leaders cannot handle people around them disagreeing w/ their philosophy. it is also sad that people/the audience cannot read a script and dis-associate the person from their church. sad how closed society can be. tyler- i don't put a disclaimer, b/c it would give me away. also i don't b/c i want to be seen as me-period. i also, at the core of who i am- am very journalistic- i really do believe that if a car crash happens and 3 people see it, there is an element of truth in 3 different stories. i try to present many of my ideas (though not all) that way to readers and let them decide for themselves. brent- yes, it is unfortunate that churches, in general, have mandated a school of thought/theology and their members or staff is expected to follow that. christ is truth. but there are so many ideas around him that seem grey and as christians we have to wrestle with those things. it is a sad circumstance that some church leaders cannot handle people around them disagreeing w/ their philosophy. it is also sad that people/the audience cannot read a script and dis-associate the person from their church. sad how closed society can be.

tyler- i don’t put a disclaimer, b/c it would give me away. also i don’t b/c i want to be seen as me-period. i also, at the core of who i am- am very journalistic- i really do believe that if a car crash happens and 3 people see it, there is an element of truth in 3 different stories. i try to present many of my ideas (though not all) that way to readers and let them decide for themselves.

]]> By: Tyler http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1618 Tyler Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:14:12 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1618 My bigger point is that say you (Ashley) had a disclaimer on your blog, and you still shared your opinions on the same things you were unbiased with in your job. I don't think that disclaimer stops your readers wondering if maybe your company shares the same thoughts as you. The disclaimer doesn't stop a thing, is my point. And I'm glad you don't have one :) My bigger point is that say you (Ashley) had a disclaimer on your blog, and you still shared your opinions on the same things you were unbiased with in your job. I don’t think that disclaimer stops your readers wondering if maybe your company shares the same thoughts as you. The disclaimer doesn’t stop a thing, is my point. And I’m glad you don’t have one :)

]]> By: brent(inWorship) http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1617 brent(inWorship) Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:10:32 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1617 Ash, I agree with you. The business world is all about "look" and "competition". There is, in any situation a respect that needs to take place. My sentiment is pointed specifically at the church world. Growing up in the church, I have seen the good and the bad of the church becoming or being "business". It is when the church is more interested in how it looks as an institution, than how God looks, that I start to become frustrated. I have watched Godly men get destroyed by church "rules" that had nothing to do with anything Biblical or Godly...only man made. I have issue with that. Especially in a church that is not run by men, but is run by God's truth. It is not run by popularity, competition or how good it looks, it is run by the living breathing Spirit of God, that at times can make zero "human" common sense. Does that make sense? I feel like I am rambling :) Ash, I agree with you. The business world is all about “look” and “competition”. There is, in any situation a respect that needs to take place.

My sentiment is pointed specifically at the church world. Growing up in the church, I have seen the good and the bad of the church becoming or being “business”. It is when the church is more interested in how it looks as an institution, than how God looks, that I start to become frustrated.

I have watched Godly men get destroyed by church “rules” that had nothing to do with anything Biblical or Godly…only man made. I have issue with that. Especially in a church that is not run by men, but is run by God’s truth. It is not run by popularity, competition or how good it looks, it is run by the living breathing Spirit of God, that at times can make zero “human” common sense.

Does that make sense? I feel like I am rambling :)

]]> By: Tyler http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1616 Tyler Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:09:35 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1616 Ash- I totally agree your situation is different. You get paid to be informative and unbiased, and if you were opposite of that on your blog it probably wouldn't be a good thing. Is there anyone advocating for Ash sharing all her opinions on topics she tackles as unbiased in her job? I'd love to hear why you think so. Ash- I totally agree your situation is different. You get paid to be informative and unbiased, and if you were opposite of that on your blog it probably wouldn’t be a good thing. Is there anyone advocating for Ash sharing all her opinions on topics she tackles as unbiased in her job? I’d love to hear why you think so.

]]> By: ash http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1615 ash Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:50:03 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1615 Brent, here's the thing- for me, personally, I make a disclaimer by not mentioning my company (tyler works for the church and the church I think can be a different issue but it can also be same). I work for a secular, media company. For me to make endorsements and those be associated w/ my comapany makes them look bad b/c we are to be as unbiased as possible. But being who I am and pursuing some of my goals that are not encompassed by my company puts my job in jeporady right now, and I'm not prepared to be unemployed. I am who I am at work as well as in my personal life- but that doesn't mean I should put my well respected company in a bad position...that's wrong. So I do what I feel is necessary to pave the way for my self, to express who I am made to be and still protect my company, who is not bad but- who may not stand behind my opinion. There is nothting wrong with that. Brent, here’s the thing- for me, personally, I make a disclaimer by not mentioning my company (tyler works for the church and the church I think can be a different issue but it can also be same). I work for a secular, media company. For me to make endorsements and those be associated w/ my comapany makes them look bad b/c we are to be as unbiased as possible. But being who I am and pursuing some of my goals that are not encompassed by my company puts my job in jeporady right now, and I’m not prepared to be unemployed. I am who I am at work as well as in my personal life- but that doesn’t mean I should put my well respected company in a bad position…that’s wrong. So I do what I feel is necessary to pave the way for my self, to express who I am made to be and still protect my company, who is not bad but- who may not stand behind my opinion. There is nothting wrong with that.

]]> By: brent(inWorship) http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1614 brent(inWorship) Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:21:12 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1614 When I redesigned my blog, I left the disclaimer of on purpose. I am who I am. You get me at church, out of church, at a restaurant, at home, it doesn't matter. If who I am is a misrepresentation of my relationship with Christ, then I've got issues. The guys at church know I blog and most of them read it. I am held accountable by them and need to be guarded that way. My biggest concern is that I am honest and myself. If I can do that at the office and people are comfortable with it, I can do that on the blog or anywhere else. Ash's comment made me think of something that bothers me. I struggle with man-made standards. A lot of churches try to tell people these standards are "biblical", but they aren't. There are so many rules in church and church leadership that have nothing to do with scripture. If one of those rules is broken or bent due to blogging and a person is fired for it...that is really sad. It's really bothers me when churches or church leadership try to force people into a mold, instead celebrating the person God created them to be. Done ranting for today :) When I redesigned my blog, I left the disclaimer of on purpose. I am who I am. You get me at church, out of church, at a restaurant, at home, it doesn’t matter. If who I am is a misrepresentation of my relationship with Christ, then I’ve got issues. The guys at church know I blog and most of them read it. I am held accountable by them and need to be guarded that way. My biggest concern is that I am honest and myself. If I can do that at the office and people are comfortable with it, I can do that on the blog or anywhere else.

Ash’s comment made me think of something that bothers me. I struggle with man-made standards. A lot of churches try to tell people these standards are “biblical”, but they aren’t. There are so many rules in church and church leadership that have nothing to do with scripture. If one of those rules is broken or bent due to blogging and a person is fired for it…that is really sad. It’s really bothers me when churches or church leadership try to force people into a mold, instead celebrating the person God created them to be.

Done ranting for today :)

]]> By: Tyler http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1613 Tyler Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:28:14 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1613 I see your point Ash. I think my broader point is that anyone can figure out that what you say is what you believe, not someone else. And beyond that, if you associate yourself with a church or a business, then anything you write is associated with that, positive or negative. That is just how people think, with a disclaimer or not. I'm saying that a disclaimer doesn't really change anything. I see your point Ash.

I think my broader point is that anyone can figure out that what you say is what you believe, not someone else. And beyond that, if you associate yourself with a church or a business, then anything you write is associated with that, positive or negative. That is just how people think, with a disclaimer or not. I’m saying that a disclaimer doesn’t really change anything.

]]> By: ash http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1612 ash Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:18:09 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1612 I disagree. I think a disclaimer is fine because as individuals we very well may have a perspective about situations or life that are not agreed upon or accepted by our employers or churches. Disclaimers can be incredibly useful for a person who is trying to avoid giving their employers a bad name but has a personal view that is different. The company I work for, and it will remain nameless, is not under any circumstances a "christian" company and does not promoted religious views. However, I believe in Christ and I don't want anyone walking around saying the my company is Christian company b/c I am or isn't b/c of what I write. Another example...politics. Just b/c you may or may not have favorable things to say about Barack Obama doesn't mean your church should or will promote him. Most churches err on the conservative side and why should you be subject to thinking like them or vice versa. Your blog should reflect you, not your employers/churches. And a disclaimer does let people know that it's about you. I disagree. I think a disclaimer is fine because as individuals we very well may have a perspective about situations or life that are not agreed upon or accepted by our employers or churches. Disclaimers can be incredibly useful for a person who is trying to avoid giving their employers a bad name but has a personal view that is different. The company I work for, and it will remain nameless, is not under any circumstances a “christian” company and does not promoted religious views. However, I believe in Christ and I don’t want anyone walking around saying the my company is Christian company b/c I am or isn’t b/c of what I write. Another example…politics. Just b/c you may or may not have favorable things to say about Barack Obama doesn’t mean your church should or will promote him. Most churches err on the conservative side and why should you be subject to thinking like them or vice versa. Your blog should reflect you, not your employers/churches. And a disclaimer does let people know that it’s about you.

]]> By: Tyler http://manofdepravity.com/2008/07/23/disclaimers/comment-page-1/#comment-1611 Tyler Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:42:41 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=473#comment-1611 Matt- That seems to make sense, doing it for the sake of keeping the "powers" pleased. I guess if it was the only way I could continue blogging the way I do then I would have one too. Matt- That seems to make sense, doing it for the sake of keeping the “powers” pleased. I guess if it was the only way I could continue blogging the way I do then I would have one too.

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