Comments on: Homosexuality Will Divide Christians http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/ Theology, Church ministry, Seminary, Worship // Proving that even bad writers get readers. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:55:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Cathy | Mommy Motivation http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2928 Cathy | Mommy Motivation Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:08:56 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2928 This was very interesting. I don't usually peruse any blogs except the fluffy ones! But we are going to sponsor a child this Christmas and were wondering between World Vision or Compassion. I want Compassion (Mainly because it is blogosphere friendly), and hubby wants World Vision, because it is corporation - friendly. We'll see. Very good posts, I have no conclusions on this either. Although I'm not well read on the subject. If I was a conscientious citizen would I not vote for God's guidance to reign, thereby profiting from our Creator's Knowledge on the topic (topic being humans). But I also firmly believe in the state staying OUT of church affairs allowing us our very precious freedoms. Just as quickly as they can ASSIGN a meaning to marriage, they can re-assign it. And yet, we need governments to decide on legal unions. Fine, but why go on about "Marriage". I think the state should keep their noses out of it. But then we WANT their noses IN it when it comes to defining personal rights - like when they had to define "Slave" and "Freedom". The democratic system is the best we have, and yet it is dependent on HUMANS, thus - a pretty flawed system. Because of these beliefs, I guess I just give up understanding what the best choice is, and defer to religious leaders who I trust. This was very interesting. I don’t usually peruse any blogs except the fluffy ones! But we are going to sponsor a child this Christmas and were wondering between World Vision or Compassion. I want Compassion (Mainly because it is blogosphere friendly), and hubby wants World Vision, because it is corporation – friendly. We’ll see.

Very good posts, I have no conclusions on this either. Although I’m not well read on the subject. If I was a conscientious citizen would I not vote for God’s guidance to reign, thereby profiting from our Creator’s Knowledge on the topic (topic being humans).

But I also firmly believe in the state staying OUT of church affairs allowing us our very precious freedoms. Just as quickly as they can ASSIGN a meaning to marriage, they can re-assign it. And yet, we need governments to decide on legal unions. Fine, but why go on about “Marriage”. I think the state should keep their noses out of it.

But then we WANT their noses IN it when it comes to defining personal rights – like when they had to define “Slave” and “Freedom”.

The democratic system is the best we have, and yet it is dependent on HUMANS, thus – a pretty flawed system. Because of these beliefs, I guess I just give up understanding what the best choice is, and defer to religious leaders who I trust.

]]> By: Jay McKenney http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2927 Jay McKenney Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:55:36 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2927 So hard for me to process this without thinking of it in terms of my daughter(s) and their future. Will I have a better chance teaching them the values I believe in when it comes to marriage, in an America that is taking more and more steps to embrace homosexuality as a normal practice, or an America (and by that I mean government) that keeps a more traditional stance on the issue in the things that it passes or does not pass? I truly don't know the answer to that, though my gut says it would be way harder if by the time Macy was 12, Gay marriage or unions etc were way more common place than they are now. Way harder for me to find the right way to teach her to love people, but not agree with the lifestyle, that will be screaming at her from every angle way more than it is even today. Not sure how my comment fits with your post Tyler, forgive my ramblings. Jay So hard for me to process this without thinking of it in terms of my daughter(s) and their future. Will I have a better chance teaching them the values I believe in when it comes to marriage, in an America that is taking more and more steps to embrace homosexuality as a normal practice, or an America (and by that I mean government) that keeps a more traditional stance on the issue in the things that it passes or does not pass?

I truly don’t know the answer to that, though my gut says it would be way harder if by the time Macy was 12, Gay marriage or unions etc were way more common place than they are now. Way harder for me to find the right way to teach her to love people, but not agree with the lifestyle, that will be screaming at her from every angle way more than it is even today.

Not sure how my comment fits with your post Tyler, forgive my ramblings.
Jay

]]> By: ash http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2926 ash Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:55:55 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2926 Basically I think this: I may not personally, and according to my faith believe that homosexuality is the right way to live or the best way to live. I DO believe that everyone has a choice...and w/ the gay community, it's probably somewhere b/t nature and nurture (no, I don't think they're born w/ it, but I also don't think that they wake up one day and say...mmm, i'm going to be gay). I think that people have the right to vote and the majority wins and the courts have a right to review simply b/c that's how our country is set up....Politically I believe in States rights and power of the people- in that- each side for or against the issue, on the political side, have every right to speak, every right to decide and even petition for their point of view. Should a State decide to allow gay marriage, I have no problem w/ that as long as it follows due process. And that is equal rights...and both sides should embrace that Basically I think this: I may not personally, and according to my faith believe that homosexuality is the right way to live or the best way to live. I DO believe that everyone has a choice…and w/ the gay community, it’s probably somewhere b/t nature and nurture (no, I don’t think they’re born w/ it, but I also don’t think that they wake up one day and say…mmm, i’m going to be gay). I think that people have the right to vote and the majority wins and the courts have a right to review simply b/c that’s how our country is set up….Politically I believe in States rights and power of the people- in that- each side for or against the issue, on the political side, have every right to speak, every right to decide and even petition for their point of view. Should a State decide to allow gay marriage, I have no problem w/ that as long as it follows due process. And that is equal rights…and both sides should embrace that

]]> By: Jonathan Brink http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2925 Jonathan Brink Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:49:51 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2925 It's hard watching Olberman without thinking of Affleck doing a great spoof http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/ But that aside, I chose to vote my conscience and trust that God is still in the process. It’s hard watching Olberman without thinking of Affleck doing a great spoof

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/

But that aside, I chose to vote my conscience and trust that God is still in the process.

]]> By: Tyler http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2924 Tyler Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:32:45 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2924 I understand people's issues with Mr Olbermann and they are totally valid. I wouldn't have posted the video if I didn't think he brought up valid points. And he does bring up valid points, making the clip valuable for that reason. I understand people’s issues with Mr Olbermann and they are totally valid. I wouldn’t have posted the video if I didn’t think he brought up valid points. And he does bring up valid points, making the clip valuable for that reason.

]]> By: chad http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2923 chad Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:28:38 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2923 Olbermann? Tyler are you serious? You know my thoughts here, I just wanted to point out that you actually posted a video of Keith Olbermann on your blog. He should have stuck to sports... Olbermann? Tyler are you serious? You know my thoughts here, I just wanted to point out that you actually posted a video of Keith Olbermann on your blog. He should have stuck to sports…

]]> By: Matt Singley http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2922 Matt Singley Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:19:32 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2922 My thoughts about this are very similar to yours, Tyler. What is interesting is living in California and watching this being played out. I'm a bit disappointed in the reaction to the results from the No on 8 camp. I'm okay with peaceful protests if something that you voted goes the other way, but it has gone far beyond that. I have read multiple accounts of people who have been outed for voting yes and then pretty much being forced to resign from their jobs. That is shameful. The party of inclusion is excluding and picking people off one at a time that don't agree with them. Shameful. My thoughts about this are very similar to yours, Tyler. What is interesting is living in California and watching this being played out. I’m a bit disappointed in the reaction to the results from the No on 8 camp. I’m okay with peaceful protests if something that you voted goes the other way, but it has gone far beyond that. I have read multiple accounts of people who have been outed for voting yes and then pretty much being forced to resign from their jobs. That is shameful. The party of inclusion is excluding and picking people off one at a time that don’t agree with them. Shameful.

]]> By: Seth http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2921 Seth Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:26:50 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2921 The sad reality is, we've allowed the state to tell us what marriage is (and isn't, hence no-fault divorce when the covenant still remains) for a long time. So it shouldn't be surprising when that view starts to morph into something that can't be reconciled with the Scripture. I didn't watch Olbermann...I have a personal rule against it. Maybe I'll watch it later. The sad reality is, we’ve allowed the state to tell us what marriage is (and isn’t, hence no-fault divorce when the covenant still remains) for a long time. So it shouldn’t be surprising when that view starts to morph into something that can’t be reconciled with the Scripture.

I didn’t watch Olbermann…I have a personal rule against it. Maybe I’ll watch it later.

]]> By: Alan Wilkerson http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2920 Alan Wilkerson Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:25:13 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2920 I too have to support what I see as a biblical description and command that marriage is between a woman and man. Having said that... if we could separate "state recognized marriage" from "Christian Marriage" I'd have no problem at all with gay marriage. The Body of Christ has to have the freedom to not recognize their marriage as legitimate within their sphere of influence. Likewise it would give a tool for a church to use in which two "older" social security drawing members wanted to be married but would loose their income if they were married under state auspices. The problem is, I can see questions and issues over who gets what rights when it comes to marriage. I suppose a pastor could do a "Christian Marriage" and include a recognition of the State mandated licensing requirements as well. But I would not want to have pastors doing just "state recognized marriages". I think that would be a dilution of our unique calling. Not totally thought out but just my thoughts Have a good one Peace Alan Wilkerson I too have to support what I see as a biblical description and command that marriage is between a woman and man. Having said that… if we could separate “state recognized marriage” from “Christian Marriage” I’d have no problem at all with gay marriage. The Body of Christ has to have the freedom to not recognize their marriage as legitimate within their sphere of influence. Likewise it would give a tool for a church to use in which two “older” social security drawing members wanted to be married but would loose their income if they were married under state auspices.

The problem is, I can see questions and issues over who gets what rights when it comes to marriage. I suppose a pastor could do a “Christian Marriage” and include a recognition of the State mandated licensing requirements as well. But I would not want to have pastors doing just “state recognized marriages”. I think that would be a dilution of our unique calling.

Not totally thought out but just my thoughts
Have a good one

Peace
Alan Wilkerson

]]> By: rossgale http://manofdepravity.com/2008/11/17/homosexuality-divide-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-2919 rossgale Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:54:09 +0000 http://tylerbraun.wordpress.com/?p=1548#comment-2919 Haha, you must be looking to start fights. Haha, you must be looking to start fights.

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