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	<title>Comments on: Sovereignty // Tammy Hodge</title>
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		<title>By: Sovereignty of God Blog Series &#171; Man of Depravity</title>
		<link>http://manofdepravity.com/2009/08/05/sovereignty-tammy-hodge/comment-page-1/#comment-4940</link>
		<dc:creator>Sovereignty of God Blog Series &#171; Man of Depravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] // Sovereignty post Mon Aug 3rd: Jake Bouma // Sovereignty post Wed Aug 5th: Tammy Hodge // Sovereignty post Fri Aug 7th: Jake Belder // Sovereignty post Mon Aug 10th: Rhett Smith // Sovereignty post Fri Aug [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] // Sovereignty post Mon Aug 3rd: Jake Bouma // Sovereignty post Wed Aug 5th: Tammy Hodge // Sovereignty post Fri Aug 7th: Jake Belder // Sovereignty post Mon Aug 10th: Rhett Smith // Sovereignty post Fri Aug [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Anti-Blog Post - This Pilgrim&#39;s Progress</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Anti-Blog Post - This Pilgrim&#39;s Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hodge wrote on God&#8217;s Sovreignty here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: the sovereignty of God &#8211; my thoughts &#171; inProgress</title>
		<link>http://manofdepravity.com/2009/08/05/sovereignty-tammy-hodge/comment-page-1/#comment-4938</link>
		<dc:creator>the sovereignty of God &#8211; my thoughts &#171; inProgress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the sovereignty of God &#8211; my&#160;thoughts 2009 August 5    by tam   [i originally posted this on tyler brauns blog for his sovereignty series] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides His sovereignty, God is completely just and completely love.

So in His complete (and mind-boggling) love, He gave us and the angels before us the gift of free-will, and then to us dominion over the earth.  Yet in His complete justice, He&#039;s continued to witness the destruction of His creation by the exercise of that free-will as we choose to follow the original abuser of said free-will, and not Him.

Yet none of that changes His complete sovereignty.

It&#039;s where that part of the definition - being the holder of the prerogative - comes into play.

We know God could intervene, but in His complete love and justice, He doesn&#039;t.  Right now.

Because all that said, we also know how this current age ends.

It&#039;s just this &quot;middle&quot; bit (as Tam said), where our free-will &lt;i&gt;appears&lt;/i&gt; to be the predominant factor, that doesn&#039;t fit our human concepts of how a sovereign Being should be ruling the roost.

Because our idea of a loving, sovereign, just God is different to His.  Just as we are limited by our lack of divinity (amongst other things), maybe He is limited through the choices He makes due to His sovereignty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides His sovereignty, God is completely just and completely love.</p>
<p>So in His complete (and mind-boggling) love, He gave us and the angels before us the gift of free-will, and then to us dominion over the earth.  Yet in His complete justice, He&#8217;s continued to witness the destruction of His creation by the exercise of that free-will as we choose to follow the original abuser of said free-will, and not Him.</p>
<p>Yet none of that changes His complete sovereignty.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s where that part of the definition &#8211; being the holder of the prerogative &#8211; comes into play.</p>
<p>We know God could intervene, but in His complete love and justice, He doesn&#8217;t.  Right now.</p>
<p>Because all that said, we also know how this current age ends.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just this &#8220;middle&#8221; bit (as Tam said), where our free-will <i>appears</i> to be the predominant factor, that doesn&#8217;t fit our human concepts of how a sovereign Being should be ruling the roost.</p>
<p>Because our idea of a loving, sovereign, just God is different to His.  Just as we are limited by our lack of divinity (amongst other things), maybe He is limited through the choices He makes due to His sovereignty?</p>
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		<title>By: TheNorEaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheNorEaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The poor and the oppressor have this in common:  the Lord gives sight to the eyes of both.&quot;  ~Proverbs 29:31</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The poor and the oppressor have this in common:  the Lord gives sight to the eyes of both.&#8221;  ~Proverbs 29:31</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have known Tam for a decade - we are so old..and this very point,  I believe is the place we agree on most whole heartedly. I have been in similar places and experiences - and I went through a brief period as a young woman questioning God&#039;s presence during those times.

What I learned however, is this - just as I want the relationships in my life to be of free will, I want honesty, I want those that love me to come to me with honest hearts and of free will, God has granted us that same free will. He IS sovereign, He is almighty, and because of this He understands the perfection of a relationship made of honest desire, and not only this - it is our acts of giving, kindness, love and grace that pour forth honestly from our hearts that are true beauty. He could make us do this, we could be robots, but what TRUTH would there be in this?

I believe his complete wisdom reigns in the fact that he allows us to have free will, and in those moments that we freely come to Him and freely express Him to one another it all makes sense. The depravity of man will always exist, but His love can conquer that, I am absolutely convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have known Tam for a decade &#8211; we are so old..and this very point,  I believe is the place we agree on most whole heartedly. I have been in similar places and experiences &#8211; and I went through a brief period as a young woman questioning God&#8217;s presence during those times.</p>
<p>What I learned however, is this &#8211; just as I want the relationships in my life to be of free will, I want honesty, I want those that love me to come to me with honest hearts and of free will, God has granted us that same free will. He IS sovereign, He is almighty, and because of this He understands the perfection of a relationship made of honest desire, and not only this &#8211; it is our acts of giving, kindness, love and grace that pour forth honestly from our hearts that are true beauty. He could make us do this, we could be robots, but what TRUTH would there be in this?</p>
<p>I believe his complete wisdom reigns in the fact that he allows us to have free will, and in those moments that we freely come to Him and freely express Him to one another it all makes sense. The depravity of man will always exist, but His love can conquer that, I am absolutely convinced.</p>
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		<title>By: tam</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yah. its kinda just the natural thing :? some care. some dont. but its our choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yah. its kinda just the natural thing <img src='http://manofdepravity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':?' class='wp-smiley' />  some care. some dont. but its our choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Louthan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Louthan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Tammy&#039;s definition of free will is which is far more biblically correct than any other definition I have ever heard:

&quot;it was the abusers choice. the abuser who exercised free will.&quot;

In other words, and correct me if I am wrong, the sinner sinned.

That is what sinners do.  They can do nothing else but sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Tammy&#8217;s definition of free will is which is far more biblically correct than any other definition I have ever heard:</p>
<p>&#8220;it was the abusers choice. the abuser who exercised free will.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, and correct me if I am wrong, the sinner sinned.</p>
<p>That is what sinners do.  They can do nothing else but sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So God is completely sovereign and we still have free will? Not quite understanding how we can truly have free will if he is completely sovereign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So God is completely sovereign and we still have free will? Not quite understanding how we can truly have free will if he is completely sovereign.</p>
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		<title>By: HisLifeformine (Theresa)</title>
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		<dc:creator>HisLifeformine (Theresa)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Tam. It is hard sometimes to get the words right to explain that &#039;God didn&#039;t do it - we did&#039;.
God is God and who am I to say &#039;Why me?&#039;. The better question is &#039;Why not me?&#039;. I&#039;m not any better than anyone else on this earth, and IMHO asking the question &#039;Why me?&#039; implies that I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Tam. It is hard sometimes to get the words right to explain that &#8216;God didn&#8217;t do it &#8211; we did&#8217;.<br />
God is God and who am I to say &#8216;Why me?&#8217;. The better question is &#8216;Why not me?&#8217;. I&#8217;m not any better than anyone else on this earth, and IMHO asking the question &#8216;Why me?&#8217; implies that I am.</p>
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