Fortuitous Bouncing

Sorry Greg Oden…this isn’t looking good. In other basketball news, Kevin Love and the Twolves…undefeated! Haven’t said that in a long long time. Nick and Starr finally stepped up their Amazing Race game. And yes, I did NOT dress up last night. Nor did I hand out candy (one of the pluses of living in an apartment). It was great to see Earth, Wind, and Fire open for the Blazers…but they were definitely NOT PLAYING.

Music

  • Coldplay has a FREE music video of their song Lovers in Japan on iTunes. The video is pretty sweet, especially for free.
  • So excited to sing How He Loves on Sunday.
  • If anyone is looking for new music, there are three great new albums. Ray LaMontagne, Snow Patrol, and Ryan Adams. They’re all worth the money.

Blogs

  1. Randy Alcorn on Obama and abortion. A must read for people from both sides. For Obama supports this presents questions that must be thought about. For Republicans, a pat on the back.
  2. Is using birth control murder?
  3. Ben Porter says “teachers like to have fun too.”
  4. Eugene Cho had a great dialogue on his blog about who is voting for who and why.
  5. Brian McLaren says he is voting for Obama based on the sacredness of life. You’ll have to read it to understand why, because like you…I about laughed when I read that.
  6. Shane Claiborne on voting as damage control.

News

  • http://ash-nits.blogspot.com ash

    so the pastor that thinks birth control is murders is ridiculous. w/ birth control an egg is never even fertilized at all, therefore, no fetus, no baby and you’re not killing anything. he obviously has no medical understanding of it…b/c then you’d have to say condemns and other such things are also sinful. frankly what woman today wants to end up w/ 12 kids? i don’t know how some of the Catholic families have done it (my grandmothers, both said they just prayed alot) or the Mormon families for that matter. and i know that even those faiths has relaxed on the issue- so i think this guy is just completely out of line.

  • http://manofdepravity.com Tyler

    I agree with you Ash. Not everything I link to do I agree with. Most of them I just think are worth reading or interesting.

  • http://godside.livejournal.com Kurt Brandemihl

    Wait we are singing that THIS Sunday????

  • http://seth.heasley.net/blog Seth

    The birth control thing is dicey, but it’s a question at least worth asking. If we’re all about trusting God, why not trust Him there? The divorce rate for couples who don’t use birth control is something like 5%, so maybe there’s something of a blessing in evidence there.

    It’s tough to make a Biblical argument *for* birth control. And more Christians should be aware of the secondary “protection” the Pill offers (preventing implantation) before using it.

  • http://ash-nits.blogspot.com ash

    Seth, you want know why folks who never use birth control “stay together?” Do you know many young people are getting pregnant, then married, then married for life? or why couples who shouldn’t be in their relationships are? They stay together b/c of children and not b/c they really really love each other. I believe that it is more important to God that people love one another than be in a relationship they feel obligated to be in or that has a potential to be abusive. these things i know from experience. Seth, the Bible doesn’t really talk about birth control at all. BEFORE Christ, the Jews lived under the law. But under the Cross, there is no law, and the gentiles were first introduced to grace, not law. Also, the scripture that people use to call birth control evil actually doesn’t makes sense…over and over again, doing the research- the scripture about Onan is used and his activity prior to having sex…which is a whole another issue, not necessarily birth control. Maybe you’d like your wife to potentially have 15 children but as woman, a petite one at that? No, I don’t think so. Birth control doesn’t “kill” anything. Prevention is NOT killing…

  • http://jocelynmiller.typepad.com Jos

    spot on Ash. 🙂

  • http://jocelynmiller.typepad.com Jos

    The article by Randy Alcorn should be read by every single person who calls themselves a Christian. Thanks for posting that link.

  • http://seth.heasley.net/blog Seth

    Ash,

    There’s a lot to address, but I’ll start with the most important (the life issue). Allow me attempt to be really, really clear and logical here:

    1. Life begins at conception. Therefore, a fertilized egg is alive.
    2. Anything which prevents this life from implanting in the uterus causes it to die.
    3. Some birth control methods prevent a fertilized egg from implanting. Therefore, they cause it to die.

    I’m not assuming everyone agrees on #1 (throw out the whole thing if you don’t). #2 cannot be questioned. #3 might have its detractors, but shouldn’t. The Pill and IUDs are both methods of birth control which may cause a fertilized egg (life, remember?) to fail to implant. They cause the death of the embryo. Therefore, the idea that “Prevention is NOT killing,” while strictly true if we’re talking about prevention of conception, fails to be true when applied to implantation of the embryo.

    No one should use these methods without knowing this (and yet, how many *do* know?). My wife and I used the Pill for a short time and only learned this information after we stopped using it. It grieves me that we may have lost a child during that time. Isn’t this important to think about? If you’re using these methods and didn’t know this, now you know. I don’t know how this *couldn’t* affect the decision about whether to use them.

    Please don’t take my word for this. Take Randy Alcorn’s: http://snipurl.com/pill_alcorn

    Moving on. I’m not sure where the abuse thing came from, and as I didn’t bring it up, I don’t feel the need to address it (other than to say it looks like a red herring, and obviously abusive situations are to be fled).

    “I believe that it is more important to God that people love one another than be in a relationship they feel obligated to be in.” The idea that God is more concerned with our bliss than our faithfulness is very strange and cannot be supported from Scripture. Psalm 15 deals nicely with this (He is approved who “makes firm commitments and does not renege on his promise”).

    Now the Law discussion: “BEFORE Christ, the Jews lived under the law. But under the Cross, there is no law, and the gentiles were first introduced to grace, not law.”

    Paul would seem to disagree: “I am not free from God’s law but under the law of Christ.” Read the Sermon on the Mount again. In many ways it requires *more* of us than the Law did. Moses allowed divorce for any reason. Did Christ? True, we are not under the Law of Moses, but many of the laws revealed who God is and what He values. They revealed his character, which does not change. I’m speaking of the moral laws, of course. Christ spoke of these laws, and as our Lord, he requires obedience to them. There is grace when we fail, but that doesn’t mean there’s no law.

    Moving on again, to what the Bible does or doesn’t say regarding birth control. I would never use Onan as an example of Biblical arguments against birth control (and I would argue against it being used that way). I never said there were arguments *against* it. I merely said there wasn’t a positive case to be made for it. However, the Bible is very clear that “children are a heritage from the LORD, The fruit of the womb is a reward.” This doesn’t amount to teaching that birth control is wrong, but it does at least provide insight into God’s view of children (He’s pro-kid! Isn’t this good news?). This doesn’t necessarily mean we need to have twenty kids each. It doesn’t even mean God is against birth control of all kinds. It does mean he likes us to have kids and even hopes we’ll see them as a blessing.

    The question I raised was, “Isn’t it worth asking whether we can (or should) trust God with our fertility?” I’m not looking down my nose at anyone who uses contraception (and I’m not actually entirely opposed to it). Follow your conscience, but inform it first. I’m putting the question out there for debate. More than that, I’m trying to provide some backdrop for the article Tyler linked.

    Read the Randy Alcorn article. He knows his stuff.

  • http://manofdepravity.com Tyler

    Ash- I’m not sure you are correct on the Romans being written to only Jews. The church in Rome at the time was very mixed in leadership because of Claudius’ expulsion of the Jews only a few years before. Jews had only been back in that church for a few years, so it is very likely that both Jews and Gentiles were in leadership, and therefore Paul was writing to both groups.

  • http://seth.heasley.net/blog Seth

    No proof is needed for #2, it’s just obvious that if the fertilized egg doesn’t implant, that new life will end. How could this not be clear?

    If you don’t accept #3, I’m not a doctor and can’t convince you. My point is, if there’s even a chance it’s true, it’s too great a risk for me. You can make your own judgment. It’s still information that should be seen and grappled with.

    I’m still not seeing a scriptural argument about marriage and divorce, but I don’t want to drag down Tyler’s blog with that topic either. I don’t think we’ll get anywhere anyway. On the whole, I agree that people shouldn’t stay together just because they have kids. They should stay because Christians should keep their word. Obviously there can be extenuating circumstances.

    I’ll just add that I haven’t attempted to dictate anything. I asked a question. You answered it, kind of. My being male really has nothing to do with this.

    How about ending on an agreement? The law of Christ truly is the law of love. Amen to that.

  • http://manofdepravity.com Tyler

    Seth and Ash- I really don’t see you making much head way either way on this, so I agree with Seth to just agree to disagree on a confusing issue. With that said, you both are two of my most faithful and long standing readers…you are both always welcome to hi jack this blog anytime, in the comments that is 🙂

  • Yonas

    LOL So I guess looks like being single finally has its advantages. No complicated issues like these! 🙂