Homosexuality Will Divide Christians

I’d like to look at homosexuality today from a political standpoint and tomorrow from the standpoint of the local church.

A couple weeks ago I wrote a post on how Christians have been known to treat gays and lesbians and it got a pretty wide response. I looked at it from two different standpoints but I think they need to be somewhat isolated and looked at separately.

Prop 8 in California was the news maker on this political issue 2 weeks ago. The proposition was approved and it bans gays from getting married in California. Since its passing groups against it have rioted, picketed, and shamed those who voted for it. Let me say this…I don’t think you would see many people who voted for this rioting the weddings of those homosexuals who decide to get married. I’m actually quite encouraged by the way many Christians have reacted to this: vote your convictions, if your view wins, win humbly.

Here is an interesting reaction to those who voted Yes on Prop 8. Anyone who did or would have voted Yes on that measure should take a listen. The questions posed are ones that need to be given respectful answers.

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One pastor’s blog, that I enjoy reading, said this regarding the passing of Prop 8 in his state:

“The church will have to come to an understanding at some point that discrimination of this kind is antithetical to the message of the Gospel. I’m sure that as younger generations keep getting older and are able to vote, these types of questions won’t be such big issues, as the culture is definitely moving towards one of openness and inclusivity. I’m just sad and angry that it isn’t happening sooner.”

Now for my thoughts on this as a political issue.

  • I firmly believe that how we vote and are involved in the political process should be entirely surrounded by our faith and the convictions that the faith gives us.
  • For me, as a Christian, my convictions are based on what the Bible has to say as a whole.
  • Because of this I firmly believe that God designed marriage to be between one man and one woman only. We see this following the creation account in Genesis. God made man, then woman…and called it good. There are a lot of other references to homosexuality in the Bible, but that account in Genesis is the key one for me.
  • All of those things combine to me feeling the conviction to vote for marriage to be defined as between one man and one woman.

I think all Christians should be prepared for legalized gay marriage to become a reality in the world. Too many people view this issue as something similar to civil rights or women’s rights for something not to change very soon. If I wasn’t a Christian, I would too. Gay marriage isn’t going to undermine Christianity. I won’t vote for it, but I won’t cry over it. As a believer I would much rather speak to God’s design for marriage from the pulpit instead of putting up a “Yes on 8” sign in my yard.

The likely reality of this issue is that gays will be granted full marriage rights on the term “civil union.” This will appease the fundamental Christians who will say they aren’t truly “married” and appease the gays who just want the rights of being married.

Ok…I opened this can of worms.

Time for you to continue the dialogue in the comments.

  • http://rcgale.com rossgale

    Haha, you must be looking to start fights.

  • Alan Wilkerson

    I too have to support what I see as a biblical description and command that marriage is between a woman and man. Having said that… if we could separate “state recognized marriage” from “Christian Marriage” I’d have no problem at all with gay marriage. The Body of Christ has to have the freedom to not recognize their marriage as legitimate within their sphere of influence. Likewise it would give a tool for a church to use in which two “older” social security drawing members wanted to be married but would loose their income if they were married under state auspices.

    The problem is, I can see questions and issues over who gets what rights when it comes to marriage. I suppose a pastor could do a “Christian Marriage” and include a recognition of the State mandated licensing requirements as well. But I would not want to have pastors doing just “state recognized marriages”. I think that would be a dilution of our unique calling.

    Not totally thought out but just my thoughts
    Have a good one

    Peace
    Alan Wilkerson

  • http://seth.heasley.net/blog Seth

    The sad reality is, we’ve allowed the state to tell us what marriage is (and isn’t, hence no-fault divorce when the covenant still remains) for a long time. So it shouldn’t be surprising when that view starts to morph into something that can’t be reconciled with the Scripture.

    I didn’t watch Olbermann…I have a personal rule against it. Maybe I’ll watch it later.

  • http://mattsingley.com/blog Matt Singley

    My thoughts about this are very similar to yours, Tyler. What is interesting is living in California and watching this being played out. I’m a bit disappointed in the reaction to the results from the No on 8 camp. I’m okay with peaceful protests if something that you voted goes the other way, but it has gone far beyond that. I have read multiple accounts of people who have been outed for voting yes and then pretty much being forced to resign from their jobs. That is shameful. The party of inclusion is excluding and picking people off one at a time that don’t agree with them. Shameful.

  • http://chadsblog.net chad

    Olbermann? Tyler are you serious? You know my thoughts here, I just wanted to point out that you actually posted a video of Keith Olbermann on your blog. He should have stuck to sports…

  • http://manofdepravity.com Tyler

    I understand people’s issues with Mr Olbermann and they are totally valid. I wouldn’t have posted the video if I didn’t think he brought up valid points. And he does bring up valid points, making the clip valuable for that reason.

  • http://www.thriven.org Jonathan Brink

    It’s hard watching Olberman without thinking of Affleck doing a great spoof

    http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/

    But that aside, I chose to vote my conscience and trust that God is still in the process.

  • http://ash-nits.blogspot.com ash

    Basically I think this: I may not personally, and according to my faith believe that homosexuality is the right way to live or the best way to live. I DO believe that everyone has a choice…and w/ the gay community, it’s probably somewhere b/t nature and nurture (no, I don’t think they’re born w/ it, but I also don’t think that they wake up one day and say…mmm, i’m going to be gay). I think that people have the right to vote and the majority wins and the courts have a right to review simply b/c that’s how our country is set up….Politically I believe in States rights and power of the people- in that- each side for or against the issue, on the political side, have every right to speak, every right to decide and even petition for their point of view. Should a State decide to allow gay marriage, I have no problem w/ that as long as it follows due process. And that is equal rights…and both sides should embrace that

  • http://jaymckenney@typepad.com Jay McKenney

    So hard for me to process this without thinking of it in terms of my daughter(s) and their future. Will I have a better chance teaching them the values I believe in when it comes to marriage, in an America that is taking more and more steps to embrace homosexuality as a normal practice, or an America (and by that I mean government) that keeps a more traditional stance on the issue in the things that it passes or does not pass?

    I truly don’t know the answer to that, though my gut says it would be way harder if by the time Macy was 12, Gay marriage or unions etc were way more common place than they are now. Way harder for me to find the right way to teach her to love people, but not agree with the lifestyle, that will be screaming at her from every angle way more than it is even today.

    Not sure how my comment fits with your post Tyler, forgive my ramblings.
    Jay

  • http://www.mommymotivation.me Cathy | Mommy Motivation

    This was very interesting. I don’t usually peruse any blogs except the fluffy ones! But we are going to sponsor a child this Christmas and were wondering between World Vision or Compassion. I want Compassion (Mainly because it is blogosphere friendly), and hubby wants World Vision, because it is corporation – friendly. We’ll see.

    Very good posts, I have no conclusions on this either. Although I’m not well read on the subject. If I was a conscientious citizen would I not vote for God’s guidance to reign, thereby profiting from our Creator’s Knowledge on the topic (topic being humans).

    But I also firmly believe in the state staying OUT of church affairs allowing us our very precious freedoms. Just as quickly as they can ASSIGN a meaning to marriage, they can re-assign it. And yet, we need governments to decide on legal unions. Fine, but why go on about “Marriage”. I think the state should keep their noses out of it.

    But then we WANT their noses IN it when it comes to defining personal rights – like when they had to define “Slave” and “Freedom”.

    The democratic system is the best we have, and yet it is dependent on HUMANS, thus – a pretty flawed system. Because of these beliefs, I guess I just give up understanding what the best choice is, and defer to religious leaders who I trust.