Bad Lyrics

2009 February 18
by Tyler

Yesterday was a post focused around modern worship music being played too loudly in churches.

Today I’ll focus on a blog post written by John Stackhouse (same guy who inspired yesterday’s post). It seems that John would not only describe modern worship music as loud but also as being written with bad lyrics. And to provide fire for his argument he takes on Chris Tomlin (the modern worship giant). You can read the actual post HERE.

Here are a couple quotes from the post that stuck out to me:

“The man either doesn’t care about rhyming and settles for the merest assonance, or he lacks the skill or patience to actually craft rhymes…He also has no strong grasp of Scripture and particularly of the metaphors and allusions he uses.”

“Those of us who want to praise God with our minds as well as our hearts, as our Lord taught us to do, cannot just ignore bad lyrics. None of us can just ignore repeated wrong notes sung or played by worship leaders, and these lousy lyrics go ‘twang’ and ‘clunk.’”

His main example comes from a new song by Tomlin named “Praise the Father, Praise the Son.” The song is what I would call a “modern hymn” and it is one we have done at Sunset for about 6 months now. He has issues with the whole song, but specifically this clause:

These sufferings, this passing tide
under Your wings I will abide,
and every enemy shall flee;
You are my hope and victory.

To this Stackhouse says:

“Now we have a metaphor malfunction. If sufferings are passing over us like a tide, it’s not going to do us much good to be under Someone’s wings, is it? We’ll still drown. This is a common feature of Tomlin’s mix-n-match approach to imagery, a kaleidoscope of fragments that happen to occur to him and yet don’t make any sense once they’re set down together.”

Yep…Stackhouse brought it. I know I described him as “even-handed” yesterday. He doesn’t sound so even handed here I guess. K now for the opinion of someone who learned to play guitar to Chris Tomlin songs and has had the privilege of meeting him and singing songs written by him for over 10 years.

  • The notion that Tomlin has a lack of knowledge about Scripture is ridiculous. The clause Stackhouse ripped a part was essentially a re-wording of different portions of Psalms.
  • I have always thought that Chris’ lyrics reflect a strong view of the Bible and a Biblical theology.
  • Worship songs that rhyme at every possible point are annoying and cheesy to me. While John doesn’t like it when Chris doesn’t rhyme, I like it that he chooses not to all the time.
  • My favorite part of this song (Praise the Father) is that Chris got away from his “me” centered lyrics, that he writes with a little too often.
  • Chris usually co-writes his songs with Daniel (electric guitar player), Jesse (bass player), and Louie Giglio (leader of Passion, graduate of Dallas Seminary). Don’t just accuse Chris.
  • If someone wanted to accuse modern worship of being anything, I would think they would want to challenge song writers to stop being so “me” centered.
  • I’m not really sure how he can accuse Chris of being flippant with his lyrics. I don’t know any song writer who doesn’t write purposefully.
  • I never in a million years would have thought about the difference between a passing tide and under God’s wings. I have zero problem with the lyrics even now that John has pointed it out.
  • The entire song is focused around the Trinity. Why can’t we celebrate a modern worship artist writing about the primacy of the Trinity?

What does it mean to write a worship song with good lyrics?

  • http://ash-nits.blogspot.com ash

    ok. couple things of here. i’m def. a lyrical type person. the words are important to me. however…let’s talk about this one-

    i’m not a huge fan of tomlin (and it’s not the lyrics at all, more style, but fine music)- i think that the guy just worships God. and i commmend him for putting that worship out there to bless others and if a church can use his songs, then great. i’m all for it, lyrics, music and all.

    but as for “audience focus”or what people w/ think – here’s my note, my dearest father is tone deaf…he couldn’t carry a tune if he tried. and even when the words were on the screen at church growin’ up…he still screwed them up all the time…nevertheless HIS heart was focused. the analogies were meaningless if they made sense or now. my dad compared to things like basketball…so whatever. worship is really not about the songs…it’s about heart and attn toward God. and the common joe in the church crowd will ALSO care less.

    who do i like lyrically? best in the biz for me is lauryn hill. man, she worships, she puts out a message, she has an AMAZING ability that inspires me

  • http://seth.heasley.net/blog Seth

    Wow is Stackhouse picking nits. A “passing tide” need not be taken literally, and we certainly don’t really all think God has wings, do we? And I’m with you on the not rhyming for rhyming’s sake.

    Now, I think the “sloppy wet kiss” line in an otherwise great song (not Tomlin, but go with me) is one of the worst lines I’ve ever heard in a church song. Mostly because I’m a man, and I prefer manly lyrics. Give me Newsboys’ “Strong Tower” any day (which, by the way, why haven’t we sung?). On the other hand, I wouldn’t throw out “How He Loves Us” because of one bad line.

    …And back to Tomlin. I love “Praise the Father”. I can’t actually find anything wrong with it. And I have no particular motivation for looking for something wrong. But maybe that’s the whole issue here. I understand being mindful of what’s presented in church, but some of this criticism seems contrived.

  • http://vinthomas.com/blog Vin Thomas

    “While John doesn’t like it when Chris doesn’t rhyme,
    I like it that he chooses not to all the time.”

    Was that intentional?

  • http://manofdepravity.com Tyler

    Vin- Haha….nope. Can you tell I’m not a songwriter? That was pure luck.

  • Yonas

    I respectfully disagree with Seth. I don’t like ‘sloppy wet kiss’ not because I’m a man, but it’s just eeeww…(speaking in the context of worship songs), but then again I’ve never even hold hands with any women (pre-marital holding hands is a sin) so obviously I’m no expert when it comes to kissing.

  • http://seth.heasley.net/blog Seth

    Yonas, you *do* know that somebody involved in music is now going to plant one on you, right? I mean, you totally asked for it.

  • Yonas

    LOL

  • http://threebellchime.com Ben

    I honestly doubt that this guy has never written a song in his life, much less knows the struggle that it is to create a song that comes from a person’s heart. It sounds like he is talking more about his taste in music. So you like songs to rhyme. Good. But to drag a Christian artist name through the mud like that? He sounds a bit too harsh. Does he even understand the impact that Tomlin has had on the Christian music industry. And if he thinks his music is bad, all Chris needs to do is show him his gaggle of Dove awards and say, “I guess no one else agrees with you.” He’s even been nominated for a Grammy. Sheesh!

  • Kirk

    I have no idea what this guy is talking about. I think those lyrics are great. A “passing tide” are the trials and tribulations we all face, and i can think of no better place to “take shelter” than under the protective wing of Jesus/God. It’s under this wing that ultimately provides us the strength and determination to face down our enemy.. i.e. Satan and his influence.

    His lyrics are just fine to me.

  • http://ash-nits.blogspot.com ash

    seth and yonas? you two need to get a room!

    and ben, you do make a good point. but then again, no matter what we do, there’s always a critic.

  • Levi

    sorry for the length of the comment on the volume post!
    I find Stackhouse way out to sea in his own boat on this one. He has a very valid point about what we choose to use or lift up in popular worship music, but shipwrecks (not mixing my metaphors) on his critique of Tomlin! Mixed metaphors can be problematic for thinking people, as he said, but Tomlin’s use of metaphor is clearly a stylistic device to recall to the mind of the worshiper various Biblical metaphors. I find this style to be very valuable, it expands the mind of the worshiper beyond the confines of what the songwriter has penned into the vast imagery of the Bible. In this song, Tomlin (and whoever else wrote with him) rapid fire through various imagery taken from scripture that all *DO* relate to the overall message of the song.

    Can we get better songwriters than Tomlin? Definitely! Should we? That’s the real question. Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at our heart. I find that the heart of Tomlin’s lyrics is sincere.

    This discussion could get off on another topic altogether, consumerism in the church, but I already used up my uber-long post points.

    Levi

  • Yonas

    Just to add spice to the discussion:….Yes, Tomlin is a great musician, but how stereotypically ‘attractive’ artists…but if you look at the cover of all the top 10 Christian artists…it is also about fabricating certain looks to cater to Christian market. I am strictly talking from business point of view. True, God looks at the hearts, but music promoters look at what sounds good and what sells. So you may have hundreds of musicians with better lyrics, but may not make it to the music producers because of they don’t have a ‘specific’ sounds or looks, or maybe the theme doesn’t sync with what the current market wants.

    As usual, I’m sure my opinion worth about .02 (and that’s in Ruppee..not even in cents!)

  • http://manofdepravity.com Tyler

    Valid point Yonas. This has always been a gripe within the music industry, not just Christian music.

    I will say this though…Chris is one of the first artists who started what I would call “modern worship music.” Modern for today at least. So whether he has the look or not, I think his popularity is just because he is one of the leaders of how churches play music today.

  • david

    Good title for your blog site… sounds like about all you do is sit around and criticize those who have become more successful than you at what they do… very depraved. Instead of bashing the worship of others… just present your own. You don’t have to buy the C.D. if you don’t like it. Part of the problem with the mass marketing of worship music is that people like you begin to critique it and treat it as if it were a commercial industry… which it should not be. Either use it to express your worship to God, or don’t. Although it must be extremely hard to express worship to a God whose people you express criticism towards.

  • http://manofdepravity.com Tyler

    Wow that was harsh. Your comment makes it seem like I was after Chris Tomlin and shouldn’t buy his cd. I’m actually a big Tomlin fan so maybe you misunderstood what I was getting at. My point was to question John Stackhouse’s points against Tomlin’s lyrical writing.

    I find it hard that you can criticize me for being too critical…

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